bill clinton i think we met really don't know what they're doing. the vice president should be with the senate right now. that's whht he should be doing, not out shopping or campaigning. this is serious stuff. we are going to raise this year -- this is one thing that is not being talked about. almost $3 trillion. that will be the most of this government in the history of the republic has ever taken in. $3 trillion. so why the current tax rate revenues increase? why would you go and raise tax rates on businesses and people who are trying to create jobs. most of those are small businesses. lou: and fitting into the top 2%, according to some estimates -- as he talked about the size of the revenue coming in, most of that from income tax, obviously. people forget that we have seen revenue of the federal government rise by 26% over the past two years. with those bush tax cuts in place. with that kind of increase in revenue, spending is without question the problem. >> yes, and to talk about raising taxes right now. at the same time, not talk about health